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Buckinghamshire Family History Society

11 Monday Jan 2016

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Buckinghamshire Family History Society Open Day
Saturday 23rd July 2016, 10am to 4pm
The Grange School, Wendover Way, Aylesbury, HP21 7NH.

Research facilities including our names database (over five million entries), Parish Register, People, and Places libraries. Parish Register transcripts and other research aids will be on sale. Expert advice; guest societies from around the country; local heritage groups; suppliers of data CDs, maps, software, archival materials and much more.

Admission is free, with free parking at the venue.

Further information, including a full list Bucksof organisations attending, can be found at http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk

St Cuthbert, Withington New CD

30 Monday Nov 2015

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The early baptism registers of St Cuthbert, Withington, Manchester in the Diocese of Salford have been released on CD by the Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society.

The CD can be purchased from their online bookshop

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New CFHS Publications on CD

16 Friday Oct 2015

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The Catholic Family History Society occasional publications numbers 3 and 4, are available to purchase on CD

  • Number 3 is The Bishops’ Register of Confirmations in the Midland District of the Catholic Church in England 1768-1811 and 1816′.
  • Number 4 is The Bishops’ Register of Confirmations in the London District of the Catholic Church in England 1826-1837 and 1843′.

The CD is available to buy through Genfair for £5Genfair

St Chad’s, Cheetham Hill CD

04 Friday Sep 2015

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The Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society are delighted to announce the completion of the CD of baptisms for St Chad’s RC Church, Cheetham Hill, Manchester, covering the period 1772-1893.

St Chad’s is the Catholic mother church of Manchester with its origins in the mid 18th century, and spawned the daughter parishes of St Mary’s, Mulberry Street (The Hidden Gem), and St Augustine’s before relocating to its present site on Cheetham Hill.

The new CD contains transcripts, indexes and original scans of the first twelve volumes of baptism registers and will be an invaluable resource for anybody researching their early Catholic ancestors in Manchester.

The CD can be purchased from the MLFHS Bookshop.

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Roman Catholic Records

31 Sunday Aug 2014

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And some more useful information from our chairman, Sylvia Dibbs:Logo Transparent

Jim has covered the best material. Knowing the history of Catholicism in England is a very necessary prerequisite to researching Catholic ancestors.

So you will find Catholics in Anglican marriage and burial records, many of which are on commerical websites. Catholics also appear in ‘Anglican Parish Chest’ records or the local Quarter Sessions records, perhaps becuase they have broken the law in relation to their religious activities.

Some specifically Catholic records have strayed into local archives (for example in Warwickshire) and then been picked up by commercial sites, but for the most part Catholic priests and bishops have been very reluctant to release any archives in their care.

The National Archives at Kew http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/atoz/r.htm# gives some helpful guidance on what records they hold. Many state papers include lists of papists made to collect fines/taxes or lead to prosecution for following the Catholic faith. I have made a transcription of some of these which will be made available for a small fee to download through the Catholic FHS website via GENfair. So ‘watch this space’.

Some free records can be found at  http://archive.org where out of copyright books have been scanned and made available to download. Use search terms ‘papist’ ,  ‘recusant’, ‘roman catholic’ ; with a little patience there is some worthwhile material to be found here.

The Latter Day Saints http://familysearch.org is always worth trying as some Catholic names have strayed here too.

Try http://cyndislist.com.catholic too. It does give details of catholic records on the family search site from around the world and of course many English catholics emigrated.

Access to Archives at http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A gives details of archives arround England including their catalogues. For example Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives has a very good catalogue, which often gives brief details, which may be all a researcher needs.

One of the members of the Catholic Family History Society is compling a data base of as many pre-1837 Catholic names from all manner of documents as he can find. In due course he intends to put his on-line and it will be a very usefull resource. So something to look out for.

Catholic records do provide family historians with a very interesting challenge. It will be a long time before any commercial or free site makes much headway with them.

Roman Catholic Records Online

31 Sunday Aug 2014

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A follow-on from the previous post giving more information from Jim Lancaster. The enquirer was asking if there is a list of what is available online.

Sadly there is no such list.  It would a major task that would need someone
to commit themselves solely to it.  Michael Gandy spent several years
compiling his volumes and his task was not as vague.  He compiled a list of
all the missions (no mean feat in itself) then contacted all the parish
priests of those churches to find where their registers were deposited.  Not
all priests responded and he had to contact some several times.  He would
also have contacted the various record offices to check their holdings.  A
comparable listing of on-line registers would be much more difficult, given
the unorganized nature of record transcriptions.

The British Isles have always been seen by Rome as three distinct entities,
no matter what the politics of the day stated.  The Church in Great Britain
is divided into two, England and Wales, and Scotland; and Ireland North and South) as a separate entity.  All three are separate with their own hierarchies, etc.  I have little knowledge of Catholic history in Scotland or Ireland.  A major source for the chronology of the development of Catholic missions in Great Britain is the Catholic Directory, an annual publication. This started in the early 1800s and
covered London initially and developed to cover Great Britain (England,
Wales and Scotland).  The Catholic Directory are now two separate volumes
one for England and Wales and one for Scotland.  Ireland has its own
Directory.

I referred to Gandy’s books because these list all the known chapels and
their registers, IF they exist.  If a register is not listed, there is no
point in looking for it on the internet.  Canon Law requires each parish
priest to maintain his registers in a safe condition.  Most dioceses issue
advice as to how this is done, but the dioceses often differ in this advice
according to their circumstances.  Some dioceses collect the registers no
longer needed for religious purposes into the Diocesan Archives (I think
Northampton is one such) whereas others recommend that the old registers are
deposited in the local County Record Office.  The three Lancashire dioceses
(Liverpool, Salford and Lancaster) have agreed that parishes in Lancashire
use the Lancashire Archives in Preston as the place of safety – except for
parishes in the City of Liverpool and they use the Liverpool Record Office.
Ancestry, FindMyPast, etc., have been active in acquiring access to
deposited registers.  Some of the Diocesan Archivists have agreed to this
and have made transcripts. etc., available to one or more of these groups.
As far as I know there is no listing of these.

At the time civil registration of Births, Marriages, and Deaths commenced in
England (Scotland is different) the Registration Commissioners requested
that non-parochial chapels submit their registers for authentication so
that the information (pre July 1837) could be used in courts of law.  Most
Free Church chapels submitted their registers for authentication, many on
the understanding that the registers would be returned, but very few RC
chapels submitted their registers (I think, mainly from north-east England).
The only Lancashire chapel to submit its registers was Blackburn (St Alban).
The registers were not returned and have eventually found their way into the
National Archives.  They are listed in TNA catalogues as Class RG4.  There
was a repeat request made in 1858 and these registers are in Class RG5 or
RG8, I think.  These deposited registers are now available on both Ancestry
and FMP .

Many local family history societies have transcribed some Catholic registers
but these are not usually available on line as the sale of the transcripts
help to support the FHS.  Some societies are selling information on the
internet through one of the major sites.  Most of these are listed in the
GenGuide site I mentioned in my earlier note.

It must also be remembered that the civil law between 1756 and 1837 required
all marriages to be solemnised in a licensed Anglican church before an
authorised Anglican minister if they were to be recognised in law.  Except
is very rural areas there were no Catholic burial grounds and Catholics were
usually buried in the local Anglican church.  Often the fact that the
persons involved were Catholics (Papists) is not mentioned in the register.

As the various transcribing agencies each has its own aims and agenda, there
is little coordination of the activity.  Even within one team there may not
be a planned program of transcribing.  It usually depends on what the
volunteers can access easily.  As an example, I have attached a listing of
the RC material that is currently available on LancashireOPC.

FamilySearch has a listing of the records it includes.  Searching that list
for a specific church will show if any of its registers have been
transcribed for FamilySearch.

Roman Catholic Records

31 Sunday Aug 2014

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Logo TransparentThis blog post is a response by Jim Lancaster to someone who was enquiring about the availability of Catholic record online. It contains a lot of useful information and I have reproduced it verbatim.

The period between the reign of Elizabeth and about 1791 is often referred to as the Penal Times and it was a period when it was dangerous to be a Catholic priest in England and therefore dangerous to keep records.Any Catholic records generated could have been used against individual Catholics, or the Catholic community.  The main records of Catholics in this period are ‘hostile’ records, records made by the state or its agents the Anglican clergy.  It is only from about 1791 that Catholic clergy felt sufficiently confident about civil legislation that mission registers could be maintained.  If you are seeking information from these registers, the best place to start is a set of books by Michael Gandy published originally in 1993  that list all the known surviving registers for Catholic missions in the UK for the period 1700 to 1880.  Some of these volumes have been revised as old registers have surfaced and more parish registers have been deposited in places of safety..

In the late Victorian time, there were groups in most counties who were transcribing Anglican parish registers, one example being the Lancashire Parish Register Society that is still operating today.  There was a move among Catholics to do the same for Catholic registers and this resulted in the formation of the Catholic Record Society.  This initially was concerned with the preservation and transcription of Catholic records and among its early volumes are Catholic registers from across England and Wales.  Many of these are now out of copyright, particularly outside the UK, and have been made available on the internet.

There is a guide to Catholic Records on a site “GenGuide” ( http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/roman-catholic-registers-and-records/30/ ) and this has lists of books, CDs, internet sites. and on-line databases. Some may lead to pay-to-view sites.  This site is as good a collection of basic information as I have been able to find

This site is comprehensive but not complete, and you will find that different parts of the country have different densities of Catholics and hence more or less interest in the Catholic community.  Different counties may have different facilities. Lancashire is particularly well served.  I have mentioned the Lancashire Parish Register Society that has transcribed most of the early Anglican registers.  This are the major records of Catholic marriages between 1756 and 1837, though Catholic marriages may not be clearly identified.   There is the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk Project (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ ) which is transcribing parish registers and making them available on the internet.  Again it is mainly Anglican church registers that have been transcribed but there are increasing numbers of non-Anglican registers including Catholic ones.  For post-1837 births marriages and deaths there is the LancashireBMD site (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ ).  This site is transcribing the Local Registrar’s Indexes and where possible upgrading them.  Again it is useful for marriages, though non-Anglican marriages appear as Registrar marriages until an Authorised Person was appointed by the church to act for the Registrar.  This became possible in 1898 but was not taken up by many Catholic parishes until 1960+.

The Manchester & Lancashire FHS has developed an index of Manchester Catholics from material that it had produced and from transcripts made available to it (www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php ).  There is a similar site for Liverpool – Liverpool History Projects (http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/ ) but for some items there may be a charge.  For the more northern parts of Lancashire, around Preston, Blackburn and Burnley, the Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society have published a large number of fiche of Catholic registers.  In recent years, the Catholic Family history Society has published a number of CDs and details are to be found at http://www.genfair.co.uk/supplier.php?sid=227

Irish Catholic Registers on Ancestry

23 Sunday Mar 2014

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Ancestry has added several Irish Catholic Registers:

Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1912

Ireland, Select Catholic Marriage Registers, 1775-1912

Clicking on the links above will show the parishes included.

Registers of the French Chapel Royal

18 Tuesday Feb 2014

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cat-d-012Our latest CD provides the following records of the French Chapel Royal, King St., Portman Sq., London.

  • Baptisms 1792-1841 (1148 entries)
  • Marriages 1792-1846 (487 entries)
  • Burials 1794-1801 and 1813-1814 (65 entries).

Records largely relate to French emigrés and their subsequent families. Baptisms are recorded from a number of Hampshire locations as well as in London. The earlier burials are almost all at St Helier, Isle of Jersey, and Winchester, as are many marriages, while those of 1813-14 are at Lymington. Much genealogical data beyond that normally found in such registers is provided.

The originals of these registers are held in the French National Archives at Nantes. A filmstrip copy was given to the Archivist of the Portsmouth Roman Catholic Diocese, and this was lodged for safekeeping and for wider access at the Portsmouth City Archives, located at the Portsmouth History Centre. References are provided to enable copies from the filmstrip to be obtained.

The transcriptions are provided in both date and surname order, in searchable PDF formats. You can purchase a copy by paying with a credit card here.

Catholic Records from The Online Parish Clerks

08 Saturday Feb 2014

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forlrose03 The Online Parish Clerks project for the County of Lancashire aims to extract and preserve the records from the various parishes and to provide online access to that data, free of charge, along with other data of value to family and local historians conducting research in the County of Lancashire. There are a number of Roman Catholic registers that have been transcribed and are available.

There’s a previous post on this here, Jim has now provided me with an updated list and you can download it as a PDF document: RC Church registers in LancsOPC 20131101

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